I called Whirlpool customer service, got the replacement valve for $30 cost of the shipment. My install is brand new, so there is no connection to any sediment buildup causing any malfunction state. Not only that, but people return their old ones, and parts of them at least can probably be reused in new hundred-plus dollar valves. NOW MY WIFE WILL THINK IM SOMEONE IMPORTANT. But, the light on the control never starts flashing. Most others had it for from $200.00. At just 3 months old the second unit failed! If youre ever in Fort Wayne Indiana, Ill treat you to a steak dinner/sushi/(or your preference)! Didnt work first time but tried it again and let board set for 10 minutes unplugged before relighting pilot. It only puts out about 0.5 volts, but it is enough energy to operate everything. burners are on. limit (Temperature Cut-Out [TCO]) function. I had to do it 2 times, but it is now making hot water again. If the flashes dont indicate a problem, look for a reset button somewhere other than on the valve, especially on the plate that covers the heating chamber. this will also help the starter get a good ground to make a proper spark. Heater is only 7 months old. The replacement valve I received also has a white sensor light instead of red, and it has a metal capped sensor instead of black plastic. Im looking for a replacement LPG gas control in Mexico (Im close to the border). No brown or other weird looking water. I am now an expert at gas valves. Oh well, hope your post saves people a lot of time and frustration. You can save delay and $hundreds in plumber fees by fixing the part thats gone on strike. Much obliged. So, I decided to let it sit overnight and that did the trick for me. Honeywell WV8840B1109 Gas Water Heater Control Valve. Holy Crap DB! Turns out painting and cleaning the basement tripped a code 7 flashes. If the reset procedure needs to be repeated, I figure it can easily be done in less than 10 minutes. My heater approximately 3 years old. First, do NOT buy any water heater with this type of controller (you can zoom in on the ad pic. I suggest, like anything else you want to buy online, among those sellers with good reviews, choose the one with the best price. The instructions are short, but they have very helpful tips and information. Finally this past week it was in the error mode and stayed there. Basically the Honeywell Electronic Gas Water Heater Controllers are crap (so far). I turned it back down but now the machine is offended or something and wont work at all. The wires for the main burner valve solenoid had not broken. I really dont need those (collective) idiots telling me what is safe and what is not. Got a 7 blink code which cleared to a 1 blink normal code after a few minutes. If this becomes a regular issue, I might solder a pigtail to each of the terminals and get a battery holder from Radio Shack with quick disconnect terminals. My storyAfter two years my Honeywell WV8860B1310 gas control valve failed. There is no pilot, it just ignites completely as needed with electronic ignitor. I released the pilot knob and advanced the setting to HOT and the main burner came on.. Yay. Wish Id had it before I Paid the 30.00 shipping for the new board. I am getting the 7 flashes 3 second pause. It has a stainless steel protective cover. Looking at the V of the Valve body pins, the left top pin is the pilot valve. > Isnt there any way to tell the gas valve to [reset the error condition]? 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Whenthisbabyhits88mphYourgonnaseesomeseriousShit, http://www.midlandhardware.com/157481.html?gclid=CNjXnayo0b0CFROVfgodKgsA3A#.U0QkZfldV8E, https://www.flickr.com/photos/7428166@N07/14153292543/, https://www.flickr.com/photos/7428166@N07/13946581980/, https://www.flickr.com/photos/7428166@N07/14129889951/, https://www.flickr.com/photos/7428166@N07/13946540277/, http://hometips.me/Mar/How-to-test-and-replace-Honeywell-gas-control-valve.pdf, https://www.flickr.com/photos/86570218@N06/17486404251, Home Tips: How Do I Remove A Stubborn Element From A Water Heater?. you will get a 7 flash error. Once you have the pilot lit and the pilot valve on, (faint click can be heard) all that is necessary to open the main valve is to jump (connect) the top left pin to the top right pin. No, No, No! Whirlpool send me a new igniter/flame sensor and it does the same thing. Youll save money and aggravation in the long term. Tonight I came home to the 4 blink code again No problem Ill just reset it one more time to get us through showers tonight and replace it tomorrow. Worked like a charm! i called whirlpool(1877-817-6750), they are sending me the valve free of charge, but its gonna take a couple days to get here. Wish this had been up 2 years ago, when the previous unit failed. When drained completely,the bottom held a white goo that had a slimy feel with crystals. The final straw while talking to Rheem tech support the main burner lit for 1 second, went out, and relit 2 seconds later. After going through this ordeal, I had the pretty much the same experience as ColdShowerMan. Its not the likely culprit, but possible. This tank was flushed six months ago to install the current control valve. I did the same thing but it immediately returned to four flashes. 3. Switched back to the old board and still couldnt get it to work. So I changed that out for a 1/4 turn one, much easier. I have gone through several failures with this type of water heater (with the Hon. Its been a week since I reset the valve and everything seems to be working fine and I did not drain the tank. Voltage Minimum: 350 mV dc, open circuit. The only material needed is one short jumper or piece of wire. oops I pressed the wrong key: not 170, but 70 degrees. WV8840B1110 has been discontinued Discontinued December 15, 2019 This product was discontinued by the manufacturer. Next, there are at least two variations of this unit. I installed the new valve and cleaned up the mess. Honeywell Gas Valve on a Water Heater Filed under useful Executive summary: Once it has detected a "water too hot" event, the gas valve will never work again unless you know how to reset it. Before I go on I want to point out that patience is a requirement in this repair, as it may take more than a couple of tries with these methods before results occur. The thing is still under warranty for parts, but I have to pay shipping, and wait for it to come, and pay a plumber hundreds of dollars to install the fing thing. 4:Follow directions to lite the pilot-light. I got the dreaded 4 blink on a 3 year old water heater that had to have the control module replaced after the first year. I also examined the circuit board and noticed a few minor differences, but I think the real problem was in the design and components. Mine is the 1109 and has no posts. any suggestions ? This unit is a P.O.S.! Plus the cost of the above repairs. This whole thread is very interesting. When the pilot is lit, it will only glow blue, and not look this intense. I am getting NO Flash from the led light. If youre under warranty this is easy though theyll probably charge you for shipping, and extra if you want it fast. I have a newer version. I dont know if this will last or not but it got us a reprieve as were hosting my daughters wedding shower in 2 days. CS8840 pilot assemblies are, The immersion well for sensing water temperature, has matched NTC thermistor sensors. I initially did unplug everything and flushed the tank there was some residue and sediment not a ton but apparently enough to confound the sensor. When it calls for heat the damper opens and the pilot ignites but the main burner will not activate. Perhaps others with faulty valves may have begun their collapse in a similar fashion, but were not noticed until the hot water turned cold people dont usually babysit a water heater. did the light and turn the unit to hot and touched the other end of the speaker wire to the right upper of the V it fired up and reset. One has a red mode indicator (the older one) and a white one. This changed to normal flashing within a few minutes. Folks, here is the problem with this controller design. So since my controller is under warranty I will get a new one, may pay $10 for shipping or try and find one in town where they charge Honeywell directly, they gave me a special number to give to the store. Thanks! * Honeywell Gas Valve on a Water 2000 coachman catalina water heater rv forum, The lp switch water heater 2000 coachmen [], [] Th106 honeywell aube th106 7 day programmable line, Comments 7 day programmable line volt thermostat electric heating: bought level house. Glad you got it back going. My replacement valve had the same stainless steel cap as the old one, so will likely develop the same scaling. Pull the three wire connector off the circuit board by pulling it straight out. If not, you can still try the MFR, but a web search for honeywell water heater valve also turned up several vendors. I had the first valve replaced under the one year warranty but sears will not replace the valve under the six year warranty. I will now start flushing sediment every quarter instead of annually. Called the company and basically was told yes we can send a new thermostat/gas control valve for $185.00 + tax +shipping and it may not solve the problem Have a nice day and go for yourself ..what bs . This Honeywell gas control has been intermittent every few months, but i was always able to restart until this week. Went from four blinks to seven. Yeah!!!! Two days ago, the replacement unit also died. I shorted every connection on the board to the only connection marked GND rather than wait the hour. Both times there was VERY LITTLE sludge in the bottom of the water heater. They dont want to send any more parts until I pay someone to come look at it. $30 plus tax and I will roll up my sleeves and attempt to do this-I CAN DO THIS (I think) In the mean time I will be stinky at work and my hair will serve as grease for deep frying. If you need to look at the back to see how the tabs are arranged, look at the new valve. Im trying this tomorrow morning. At least then Ill have a stockpile when the water heater is out of warranty. OMG!! After about ten minutes the flashes changed back to the normal one flash operation. Well, tried this with TWO circuit boards (one was original w/red LED, the second was replacement w/white LED). The Thermopile already supplies the current necessary to open the gas valve! My light is now white instead of red and the electronic board appears slightly different. Mine is 3 1/2 years old. Im going to take everyone elses lead and call for a replacement valve. thanks for all the details you put in it. Executive summary: Once it has detected a water too hot event, the gas valve will never work again unless you know how to reset it. The water heater is a Kenmore and I called Sears but they only wanted to send out a service worker for $79 to diagnosis the water heater although I explained numberous times that the water heater is OK It is the controller that failed. Its an excellent description, and if you dont already have the new valve, I suggest you try that first. Thanks, wife thinks I am a genious. (For me it was the the inlet gas pipe on the valve.) The pilot would stay lit for a while and then go out with a code 2 blink. I finally decided I would remove the burner unit & giveit a thorough cleaning (blow, brush & vacuum the screen) in the morning. Thanks Randy. 8: Once the status is blinking, set the temperature to desired level. Nope! The customer service representative explained to me that I needed a new Gas Valve and that if there was a store around me that had the Gas Valve, I could buy there (Menards, etc.) Using a flat tip screwdriver remove the bottom screw that holds the housing on. Tyler, I will be buying a copy of your book to show support for you hosting this thread and helping to save people a LOT of $$. First, the Pilot has to be able to stay lit on its own and a fault blinks on the controller to continue. CS8840 pilot assemblies are designed for use with this control. When I turn the dail on I IMMEDIATELY turn the dial all the way up to the highest setting and back to the lowest repeatedlyI did it 7 times in quick succession. Atleast it did for me. I called my father-in-law and told him about it, he is a plumber and replaces this kind of valves all the time but he said he has never seen one that flashes any codes other than normal right out of the box Go figure!!! CORRECTING LAST SENTENCE: main valve (Right pin to (+), So I would recommend to you ( with Valve off the water heater and no gas applied, to test the pilot valve (left pin to (+))with the AA battery, and test the main valve (Right pin to (+)), and each individually should click, photo of pilot valve solenoid I used your method with Crankytenants jumper wire modification; thanks to crankytenants, as well. You may notice little beads of clear gooey looking stuff that appears to be gelatin. Not much of a DIYer am i but after reading about this scam Honeywell has going on about these modules i had to try this and besides how many more cold showers can one man take..My results? It is likely a Super Cap of 1 farad or more used for short term memory retention. This last time, that did not work which led me to this posting and Rauls simple fix. Cheers very much, Tyler and yall!! CS8840 pilot assemblies are designed for use with this control. Only 18 month old water heater and I too had the four flashes of death, with working pilot light. Of course I would have to pay for service. What is the easiest way to mimic the thermopile 750 milli volt so I can get the brains working without the pilot on. > Why doesnt Lowes carry repair parts for the water heaters they sell? Deliberately, maliciously, and probably under the pretense of safety. The two 10 inch jumpers wrapped around the left and right pins was the method that worked for me. My Honeywell WV8860B1309 failed after 2 years. Still working after these few months? Although the part is covered under warranty, they will not just send a replacement. Wish me luck tomorrow! Thanks to all the posts here!!! By the way, while searching for more information when this first came up for me, I found one website which had these controllers for sale for $99.00. I tried this simple solution you provided and it worked awesome. This happened again a day or 2 later and again, after a short while, the status led reverted back from the 5-flash red to the 1-flash blue. Thats what this sounds like and shorting across it is perfectly OK. Forgot to add one more important bit of informationI do not have any error codes, the red light blinks for standby mode and shows a heartbeat while the pilot light is on and continues despite the burner failing to ignite. Repeat these steps with the new gas valve. The comfort range is very small. So now it is connected up as it would be normally but without the cover attached. They have a manual shut off. God Bless you! Fix Bypass with a 15k, 2 watt resistor, and no problem. Loosened cover, shorted the connections, refitted cover and fired the pilot until the 7 flashes appeared again, left dial in pilot position even though it had not lit and then left it for 10 minutes. Select a Model: Gas Control Trade Replacement Valve. I think you could reset the controller by taking off the two leads to the thermocouple and short the two connecter tabs on the bottom right of the controller together for a couple of minutes. New valve on the way from Whirlpool. I got pretty bitter there thinking about it. Rebooted the pilot and set to just below HOT. Jolie, even you can do this. The cover on the Water Heaters gas valve is removed by a single flat head screw at the bottom. I called toll-free number on side of tank (877-817-6750), described my issue and gave a serial number. This should at least get you hot water and time to get another controller from like Amazon. Can a control valve partially fail like this? . Charles, Rather, drain it at a slower rate with a 1K ohm resistor. About 5-10 minutes the 7 flashes reverted back to a single flash, maybe got lucky. Thanks again. Save honeywell wv8840b1109 to get e-mail alerts and updates on your eBay Feed. Super easy. When I put it back together, it still flashed 4 lights and only the pilot would light. Brand New. Few minutes later, gave me the all clearThermostat requiring heat (No faults). Some designers use whats called a super cap instead of a battery to preserve data for short periods of time. For anyone who encounters valve control failure, as long as the problem relates to this particular Honeywell valve controller model (mine was model NU50T61-403), I suggest to go straight to David Boones instruction in this thread for resetting the fault. Thank you for you detailed instructions. Then plugged them in and lit pilot. Start the pilot by moving the knob to 6 oclock and press it in to start the gas and press the piezo starter button on the cover (you have to press the button between two fingers so it will not pop out of the cover it is possible to get shocked so maybe use a glove) several times until it lights. On 21 November, 2014 I performed the fix that Charles described on 29 July, 2014. After reassembly and firing up the pilot there was a 4 code and a 5 code. Think Ill leave my old one on till it goes out again then replace with new one. I had issues let the unit sit and drain. The pilot light alone is keeping the solar water warm all night at about 120F. We really need to tell the government to BUTT OUT of our lives, Big Brother wants to be my mommy and save me from myself. This is the second time mine has gone out in 27 months. Well my tank is 15 months old and it is giving the 4 flash death sign, called everywhere for parts, can only get from Whirlpool and 3 days later. 2pos honeywell spst usew. I was reading how you guys help one another and just thought AWESOME! My background issue: The heater would simply stop working every once in a while, with no lights flashing whatsoever. Now, for the praise! Honeywell said it is my fault because I failed to drain the sediment. 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